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An error occurred while saving the comment An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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I agree Steven... I don't believe the value of the autograph would change because issue #22 is a whatever issue, and #37 has the first ever appearance of a more major character in comics and the big screen.The comic itself may increase in value to collectors, but I believe a signature's value is the same, whether on an index card, a picture, an action figure, comic book, etc. Although one may be more visually appealing than another, outs not what matters.
I.really liked the idea of being able to add in an amount for signatures when adding to "My Pile"... I can see how a database of names and values associated can be difficult, but the option given sounds great as a start. I get also nobody else offers this, and honestly, I think as great as this site is (my favorite), doing this would set Comic Book Realm far apart from competitive sites! Those who can't add signature values on other sites would flock here, for the ability to do so here. Of course, as Burger King copies McDonald s, and Wendy's week surely copy them, other sites will start adding signature values as well, but we'd already be a step ahead in the game... We need to be McDonald's with this feature! Hahaha!
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That's a bummer Sean! I just a year and a half ago moved back to Maine from Phoenix, AZ... Would've been nice to meet you and do some work on you, especially if there were military aspects to the tat... I ALWAYS give members of the military free tats that are directly related to their service, so it likely would've cut a lot out of the price of the work done. I come from a military family, as does my wife, but unfortunately choices in our lives deterred or military career wants, and as a result are always looking for ways to show our appreciation and give back to those who serve, or have served. I hope we could keep in touch, and maybe the next time I'm out Californee way, we could work something out?
Btw, please excuse me... My father was recently hospitalized, and I didn't find out the way a first born son should have, along with the stresses of a daughter coming in June, I've been a little on edge, and I see where I may have taken your post as aggressive was rude on my part. I meant no offense to you either.
Feel free to email me sometime, if you'd like. JLBorowy@live.com
An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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And I wasn't attacking you, or accusing you of anything. I was about mentioning, and if you deal on comics like you say you do, you can agree you see it, people upcharge ridiculously for grading all the time. Like my example before, I have seen a jack-ass get a $2 Grimm Fairy Tales Presents issue graded, then try selling it for $50... That's bunk, and you know it. Those puerile hope to score a buck on someone who doesn't know better, and it happens ALL the time. I buy/sell/trade comics all day long, when I'm not doing my tattoo work, so I know it cost money to get issues verified, certified, graded, whatever, but that is the choice you make, and the buyer makes as well. If a buyer wants to pay for that convenience, so be it; however, it still doesn't increase a comic's value. The issue up for consideration is a comic's value, not convenience charges accrued while purchasing, or selling a comic.
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As far as certification of a signature, yeah, CGC helps there, because it verifies the signature authentic; although, a pain comic, no signature, CGC'd dies bit increase it's value, it merely guarantees it's condition as authentic. What I was saying, is exactly what admin said, that that doesn't change it's value, and there are already options to select grade on the site. My whole purpose to this suggestion, is to be able to select that a comic is signed, and add a value to reflect that signature, certified, or not. This option isn't available on comicbookrealm.com, and it would be cool if it were.
An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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No need to get all pissy and talk rude to me bro. Was simply saying what was already said by admin, as well that the deal of signatures on comics opinions go both ways. This is exactly what I was saying. You feel they lower value, while there's a large group like myself who feel otherwise. It's entirely the opinion of the buyer. Nobody said you had to agree, others already do, but that doesn't give you a right to attack me on my suggestion, or comments therein. Please be respectful, or keep your comments to yourself. This is a subject I thought would be a great idea, as well as others, and would like to keep comments respectful, and on subject. If you don't like it, don't vote.
An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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And sandstormer, that is really your opinion, like was previously mentioned, some have. A signature, no matter where it is, can hold value, based on who signed it. An artist, creator, writer for a comic, signing there work, how does that ruin it? If that's the case, should Picasso, or Dali, or Warhol never have signed their creations? Just ridiculous in my, and a lot of people's opinions, but there are others like you who would think otherwise, and you're entitled to that. Again, regardless, where a signature is, on a comic, on a piece of paper, or wherever, it still holds some sort of value. For instance, I am having my Princess Leia Action Figure Cover signed by Carrie Fisher next month... The comic may be worth only a few bucks, but her signature costs a minimum of $95 to acquire... Would be nice to be able to add that value to it in my Master Pile.
I definitely agree with Dough Boy on the CGC thing as well; that doesn't increase the value of a comic. If you choose to pay to get your comic graded, that's on you, but don't charge me $50 - $100 for ding it, when I could do it for a fraction, if I so choose to. Sellers on eBay post high premiums for having this done, but they don't often sell. I buy, sell, trade in eBay all the time, and most buyers/sellers will tell you, they either don't want the grading done, or if they can get a good deal on a graded comic (for its actual worth, not the mark up) they will remove the comic from the slab. Yeah, it's great to have the guarantee your comic is in the condition (grade) you're told it is, but like Dough Boy said previously, we already have the option to select the grade of a comic, and it's value is reflected when you select the grade. A $2 comic in 10.0 condition, is still a $2 comic in slabbed 10.0 condition. How does encasing it in a shell increase value?
An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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Thank you Dough Boy. I really appreciate you're looking into this. I get that it would be a LOT of work, to have to create an entire database for values of specific artists, writers, creators, actors, etc.; although, I think you're idea of allowing us to maybe set in our own price upgrade to reflect the values, would likely be the best thing to do. At that point, it puts the research in the comic owners hands, and also won't reflect any kind of liability on your guys for whatever reasons.
I sincerely hope this could be done, and look forward to any updates on this subject. Again, thanks for your time and efforts.
An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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I agree Jason. That's why I suggested having a database of names & a value assigned to their name. When you select signed option when adding to your Master Pile, a text box would then appear, allowing you to enter the signer's name. When a name is entered, the value associated with that name would then be applied to your comic's value. I know a lot of members here on Comic Book Realm would agree this option would be great to have, as a lot of us have signed issues, and no way to apply a value to them, even if for personal gratification.
I think if you look into it, it's not difficult to come up with autograph values, even for non-artists/writers/creators... For example, a Mark Hamill autographed Star Wars #1... Let's say it's condition puts it at $75... Then you select "signed", and type Mark Hamill into the text box... Where Mark Hamill's signature goes for $125 (his asking price at conventions), you would then get a new value on your Star Wars #1 of $200... Now, maybe Forward Chaykin signed it too? So, that would post up about another $20, making it $220... Hell, maybe Tom Palmer slipped his on there too! Now your looking at another $15 for his Hancock... $235... Throw in Stan Lee and you could have a $300 issue, and Lord knows if Lucas strokes his pen across the cover!?
Comics and their prices are fun, and a great hobby, lifestyle, even living for some, and signatures are as well; sometimes for non-collectors of comics, sometimes for both. I just really feel that where signatures are a growing interest, and mission for many collectors, that we should have a representation of their values in our pricing guides.
Why not be the first to offer this option!? I've not seen any other comic book collecting site have this feature. It would definitely set us far above similar sites!An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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Also, again, I understand it is hard to determine who's signature is worth more, or less than who's, which I had mentioned in my suggestion. This is why I think, that if you take the average increase, of signed issues, from a group of sources, and use that as a basis for the increase in value in your pile, when selecting it being signed, or signed & certified, it would help. A person interested in buying the comic could see who had signed it in the notes, therefore allowing them to determine themselves if they would want to but this signed issue, or not. I think if you see, oh gets a certified signed comic, but here's what is said to be worth, but you're asking this, which is more than the comic days it's worth, deters potential buyers, because the value doesn't reflect proper, to a request, or even simply it doesn't make me feel good liking at my own pile saying an issue is worth $100 when it's current selling value is $150. Bad enough there are $0 valued comics worth sometimes hundreds of $ putting my profits based on value and what I paid in the negative, when I in fact profited sometimes 4x what I paid. That's anther issue though, right? Hahaha!
Also, some feel signatures will devalue a comic book, but that's a small circle of purists, like those who won't get tattooed... Yet you'll find even the biggest prudes have a tattoo hidden somewhere on their body, as some of these comic purists would sell their master pile for someone's rarer than rare signed issue of something. Saying we can't set an average value increase because some think it lowers values, you may as well do away with comic values all together, because some say comics are worthless just the same. Just ask the poor guy who's mom three away their boxes of #1 Superman's, and Batman's, when they were away for summer camp as teens. Hahaha! Just having fun, but trying to justify my intent, I guess. Thanks for your time again.An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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... of SAID signature...*
An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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I can understand that, but I think why you tend to see an increase in value for cgc comic, is that you are buying a guaranteed condition of that comic book, with no worry of it depreciating in said condition, whether it be by shipping, handling, or time. Unfortunately, most increases you see are those trying to over charge you for having had it graded, which is lame, because we all know it doesn't cost $50 - $100+ to grade a $2 comic book. Since you can select a grading, and price does increase based on that selection (which your grading proves), I get your comment. My initial meaning in this suggestion was supposed to be geared toward signature values. I honestly don't know why I went into cgc as an issue in valuing a comic, except for maybe that having a signed cgc comic is one of the best ways to show certification of days signature, which I personally would pay more, or for period, a signed comic book cgc, over one that is not. Of course unless it were PSA/DNA certified, or like in one case of a comic I bought that has a certification by Midtown Comics (who is reputable) from a signing they had entertained.
I hope after this comment my suggestion makes more sense? It's more signatures, their value, and values based on certification, or chance (as we all can't afford to have a place like PSA certify a signature, but most still guarantee if you do have it checked, it's legit, or your $$$ back). In uncertified situations, a signature holds less value until it is certified, but that's not for me to decide.An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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Sorry, should say "per signature", not "pet signature", as well as "would greatly help", not "who's greatly help"... Hahaha! Couldn't find an edit option, and didn't proofread.
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An error occurred while saving the comment Joseph Borowy
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I'm sorry, I actually don't exactly agree with this suggestion. I did make a similar suggestion, but mine is about signed and certified comics; CGC comics were mentioned in there, but not exactly what I was getting at, as I and others agree that grading a comic does not increase the value, rather guarantees, or certifies the grade of the comic. There is already an option to select the grade of an issue, and prices reflect that grade. just because someone spends $12 - $20 to get a comic graded & slabbed, it doesn't increase a comic's value. The higher prices charged for CGC comics, is simply paying the cost that was incurred to get this service done, and it's up to a buyer whether they want to pay extra for the convenience of it having been done, our not. Unfortunately, a lot of people think they can then charge $50 - $200, or more for having had this $12 - $20 service done, and that's unfortunate. All in all, a $2 issue that's been CGC'd, is still worth $2. Just because it will likely stay in that condition longer, and have a better chance of not lowering grade due to being slabbed, doesn't mean it's worth more money.
Yeah, but like admin mentioned before, creating a database with the values of each possible signature could be difficult... I still like, and would love to see the idea akin cane up with of being able to add the value in a space along with the options already there to add notes, and to check if signed or certified, would be great. Having this option, which would then add into the total, would be an awesome step in the direction were looking for. Since it's not hard to look up the values ourselves, since most that do signings have their fees listed online, it wouldn't be hard for those interested in buying an issue from someone to see for themselves whether the lister decided to add a bifida price for their own gratification, or off they did so legitimately. If love to be able to add the values of my signed pieces, as I have a few now, which those prices aren't reflected. The bigger bummer is my custom covers... Where those are totally based on amount of work, color, and artist, it would be near impossible to get such a database for that... still, I wish they'd add the signature value space already, as clearly there are those who think this is a great idea.